The split between those who think the JVM is great engineering and those who think it’s stupid ballast is bigger than with most languages

Jul 19, 2015 · 10:02 PM UTC

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@martianodyssey @tastapod @sjfloat No TCO in the JVM yet. Might be in some future version, might be in time for Java 9
.@MartianOdyssey @sjfloat @tastapod @stilkov you can use recur in #Clojure to transform tail calls into while loops
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@stilkov I think it’s easy to conflate the JVM and Java. The JVM contains some of the best engineering I’ve ever seen. Java not so much.
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@stilkov I see what you did there
@MartianOdyssey Objections I've heard to TCO is not difficulty of implementation but what it does to the stack trace. @tastapod @stilkov
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@MartianOdyssey I don't recall if I ever heard that in the specific context of the JVM though (might have been python). @tastapod @stilkov
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@stilkov I guess because Java is so popular that almost everybody made good or bad experiences and thus has a standpoint.