We can/should discuss how companies are able to provide reliable, secure and privacy respecting services. Self hosting is not a solution.
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@halfbyte Agreed. The fact that the choice is either self-hosting or US-style non-privacy is very disturbing.
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@stilkov I have long decided to go the self hosting route. I live with the consequences. I think the trade offs are worth it /cc @halfbyte
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@jcfischer @stilkov They are definitely not worth it for me. And they are hardly worth it or even impossible for non tech people.
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Replying to @halfbyte
@halfbyte @jcfischer We have a very complex mixture. I would love to host more stuff externally, with decent payment and privacy guarantees

Mar 16, 2013 · 11:10 AM UTC

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Replying to @stilkov
@stilkov I did Zimbra Hosting for a while for that reason. Would have had to have "indecent payment" to make it worthwile /cc @halfbyte