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It's a great question yet here's the truth there was a proposal for layout used for tables. It wasn't included in the spec. There was a period of time where they could be used if linearized to make beautiful logical and more accessible than now. Was hacking floats better?
That’s the question to answer.
If the yesterday’s tools for building websites were shown off today:
Would newer developers say, “that’s much easier” or “wow, you had it much harder”
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There's a period of time toward H2O 4.2 and XML 1.0 where we had accessibility for more accessible forms and linearized tables with accessibility features. Apis are obfuscated on purpose that's what they do and what they're for. HTML semantics are declarative and open.
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The read write web it's what it was meant to be it was how it was developed how it was envisioned and one of its best examples is Wiki and Wikipedia with the exception that it is often inaccurate and fraught with human bias but what isn't? And that's done by volunteers!
Oh my dear brother of many years I would have to take you to task on that. The term at the time was too ambiguous wml was stacked implying layers, we had separate layers of Concepts in the open web stock, Photoshop layers Etc we want to be more specific in semantics lexically
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We used to do it all the time isn't the USA meant to accept different opinions and speak our minds without having to shoot one another?
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You know several people have said this night and this is so fascinating to me because I wonder why is that we just miss that we're doing things he kept it simple and clean or is it because today's methods are getting more and more complex in css?
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Yes they did you ate that long to innovate in an evolutionary environment and have Steve ballmer running around yelling we won the web and throwing chairs was quite repulsive. That and tying everything to a single OS interoperability what? A practice now ubiquitous hello Google.
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You are speaking to my very core and part of the reason I think I fell apart so damned hard during 2015 and the decline of the open web as a unification rather than a platform of deceit. It's all still there you know it's us it isn't something amorphous.
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In my opinion one of the best talks done by Sir Tim Berners-lee where he speaks very clearly, tells personal stories, speaks to the role of women in computing and the concerns for the world and dangers of human greed please take some time and watch
youtube.com/zdyrjxa00DE
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Sadly especially in predatory capitalism that which is given freely and openly is seen as suspicious and covert acts, money and power and greed as virtuous. Or worthy of mockery rather than admiration of nobility ñstrength and courage. How pitiful and unsustainable greed can be.
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For Vint Cerf and co along with Al Gore to take a USA research project from military use and make it free, for sir Tim berners-lee and co to give freely and can be used to unify not separate the best of humankind from society and tech are the most noble examples of my own ideals
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As fascinating history of the role of JavaScript and programmatic paradigms in the history of browsers and computation can be found via @lexfridman and @BrendanEich highly recommended check YouTube for clips as well as in-depth podcasts that are quite complex and enlightening.
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There are so many people who don't get credit for the incredible contributions they made like say Chris wilson? @cwilso Any success I got came from a Brooklyn Born Jersey raised girl with a great big mouth and fearless attitude with a passion for the human use of the www.
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This is the point the web standards project emerged in part because of DOM implementations. Yet AOL had some brilliant folk trying to lift it up. Kimmy blessing, Kevin Lawverr, Cindy Li, Eric Meyer, me, many others. Time Warner then outsourced it. That worked not at all ;-)
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A personal thank you to everybody's interest in this time in web standards history because I'm spending my day right now revising work on a paper for exactly that. This is really helpful both as a walk down memory lane and improving the quality of the paper. I thank you so much!
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Indeed Kelly. challenging on education. Whether it was the challenge or sn interest in seeing women succeed in tech interested Gates to only invite she and I back for the second one despite so many great folks l can't say except there was a particular internal agenda in play.
Called the browser WARS dear Tom. Netscape Navigator was no joy (layer anyone?). And may I take a moment to honor a piece of history we seem to miss: @t and folks who built the Tasman Engine for Mac IE was a marvel we should talk more about. SO many great innovations and people.
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