I'd also add: I have to sadly say that the complete and utter abandonment of best webdev practices by these complex-for-no-good-reason frameworks I have abandoned web development all together in favor of product design. I love design but it's still kind of a shame.

Was the web supposed to be a platform for design as the term design is meant very specifically there as in not presented or styled? This is so interesting

In a way I suppose. But that's a complex issue. Another reason for making this pivot was my desire to have more impact / influence on product direction. I was always very opinionated about the UX but never felt heard because I was an engineer.

Ironically I hear what you're saying perfectly well of course it's 33 years in but the idea that designer or developer and a person who is responsible for user experience, while all specialized skills don't need a common language is alive and not good still. That's a good one!

In a lot of companies engineers are just to implement whatever has been designed. That said in my current work environment we've fostered a culture where everyone's input matters. Engineers in my team have great UX thinking and are very customer centric. And I love their input!

Now there you go collaborative very important key word for one of the importance reasons of a world wide web!

Absolutely. And as a former engineer who used to basically just implement what others told him to implement I don't want to do that to the engineers in my team. They deserve to be heard!

I resonate so much with this entire conversation!

I'm so glad because I'm really not convinced the web is salvageable even with sir Tim working hard on solid it's a good idea but I don't know how far we can really get with it and the fragmentation of specs apis everywhere JavaScript everywhere I cry at least once a day over this

What's really interesting though is how there is still passion underneath the ugly that has come with the climate of change that social media brought unintentionally with it especially since Mr indicted started with his fuckery I miss the passion of collaboration and possibility.