LOL that's pretty darn interesting. I do have an important question for you what is the advocacy of no code I know you teach code and to know the code before moving on to other techniques. How did this come about if I may ask Jenn I'm very curious thank you my dear!

Oh I totally agree with that philosophically speaking there is a huge difference between the hobbyist tinker and the web professional at least that's how I see that split it should be easy for people who do not need to rise to a professional standard if I dare use standard hahaha

That is very true. I would hope that those of us who have been paid money throughout the decades for our work are in fact professionally ethical as best as we can be to a given situation. I just really have trouble with no code approaches for deployment outside the sandbox.

I'm not sure it's JavaScript that this is the problem but the misunderstanding and lack of care for history for what markup really is for hypertext is inherent to the World Wide Web and cannot be separated from content availability AKA access to content without barriers.