The point is to go beyond ME. This is not about me, but it includes me. Whether people realize it or not, it was a brutal experience that nearly cost me my life in the end and it caused many people distress. My value system says learn from history not repeat it. THAT is the goal.
Mmm, it might be framing it around one meeting between wasp and MS. Gave me pause certainly. I wasn’t there so what could I add? At that time I was building websites, not building browsers or standards. If the call is “tell me what you were up to” that wasn’t entire clear.
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@cackhanded I think there's a great opportunity here to open the door on some of the things we experienced at Yahoo! at exactly the same time these talks were ongoing in the wider WS community. That is certainly the account I've been attempting to craft overnight.
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Yes, please and thank you! Expand the story. That is my ask, but it is surely proving a painful and difficult journey to embark on. Aren't those the most important ones, however? Perhaps they aren't, but I do feel we need some unity lest the entire dream disappear altogether.
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I’ve tried before but I get stuck in complaining about Yahoo and how it treated people and that’s not what I want to write. Well, not any more. Some of my old posts show I clearly did want to at one point. 😜
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So my thought about that is to not frame these things anymore as conflict or complaint. We are now the elders of a generation as we come up on 30 years. We have voices of experience, perhaps even some wisdom. Let us share them if we feel so inspired as a tool of learning for all.
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The closest I’ve come is half a draft about why I build my current crop of personal websites as static HTML without a drop of JS, but that still devolves into “react is bad, frameworks are bad, we teach developers bad, we as an industry are bad”. So I never finish it.
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I get it, I really do. But one thing I've learnt with age is pragmatism over zealotry. Web development as a whole has progressed since that period _because_ of that period. The industry is trying to learn, which is why a retrospective is a bloody great idea.
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That said, perhaps your thoughts on Yahoo! as a corporation bear comparison to where we've ended up as an industry with Apple. As @slightlylate often underlines, the mobile web is suffering terrible repression at the hands of iOS, Safari, and the freaking App store Ts and Cs.
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HELLO ALEX...a voice I think would be very relevant in this conversation indeed.
Jul 15, 2021 · 9:30 AM UTC


