It is the true teacher who leaves the class knowing they have learned the most.
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It's so refreshing after years of vitriol. Also, your challenge to the word disability caused me to flip my script. Instead of taking away words, how about altering meaning via signs and symbols such as wheelchair. But for weight gain/loss of 135 lbs I was "invisible" for 50 yrs.
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In all seriosousness, it's also a cornerstone of a teaching methodology I embrace which is very Socratic at times. I see it as open source learning - all are teachers, all are scholars, all are mediators. Storytelling and experiences factor in as does "I do not know, who might?"
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Floats for layout were actually not meant for layouts but to allow a block to be floated so text could flow around it. Remember all the hacks to clear floats? It was again what we had at the time and we used them. Positiioning helped some, once we figured out relative x absolute.
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Of course. I have felt that way so often in life, and Covid x difficult social times haven't helped. We are, all of us who feel deeply, anxious and fears we will be walking PTSD triggers is being discussed very seriously as a challenge in coming months and years for all ages. xo
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The <noframes> element, if used for more than "too bad, this site has frames, did make a lot of work unless clever JS and server-side folks were on the top of their game :)
For those lamenting about table-based layouts, stop that. Many of us early authors and educators were critical as we believed they were never meant for layout, only data. This was revealed to me by Dave Ragget, W3C, who did in fact and deed propose tables for layout in early HTML
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It depends upon the use. I've seen at least several sites with frames that have run huge research projects and they did precede some very important historical issues and uses we never would have gotten to without.
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It exists in many cultures across the world and within cultural subsets too. It's passionate and also challenges individuals and groups continiuously to question bias and assumptions. Socratic method uses this technique often as well!
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Yup! I call it 'Rabbi Rousing'. 1 issue, 10 Rabbis, 10,000 opinions. Also, we not only interrupt, we debate, often loudly, quickly and at the same time yet hear each other just fine. It exists in a number of cultures, fostering strong critical analysis and thinking. /ht @codepo8
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I'll never forget when I told Dean Edwards "there are no standards" - he said "Don't say that!" And I had to ask, why would we have emerged a movement (several) to promote them if we had them in the first place. How does this compare to ecma and JS do you think?
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One thing being a pre-web Internet/BBS person with academic studies in applied linguistics (semantics specifically), language, technical writing and "New" media shows confusing exploration for stumbles in evolutionary and open tech as failures unless we let one way dominate only.
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Add inline frames, animated GIFs, DHTML and things got interesting and confusing, but some very creative and powerful tech emerged from that era indeed (XHR, Ajax, etc.)
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He swings, he hits, it's a home run! I never manipulate the DOM. I leave that to the ones who really, really are Javascripters with an appreciation of where, when, why and how to not obfuscate or abstract declarative aspects of Web or rely only on Frameworks without JS skills. :)
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This was unknown to me - and we did have de-facto standards. Trial and error is often the mother of innovation. And it was fun to explore so long as the inevitable "our way is the only way" competitive nature results in a bi-partisan battle over wider options. Beta v. VHS, etc.
Layer was like iframe. Under the hood any absolutely positioned DIV was treated by Netscape like a layer. It's interesting: back then 90% of issues was because of non transparency of the platform. No standard, no documentation. This manifested trial and error as a way to build.
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Dom, that statement is the essence of equitable, inclusive living as well as specific to compatibility and interop in #webdev - and I so want to make a Dom pun right now but I'm sure you've hear 'em all ;-) Bravo!
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Do you remember Erik Hatcher @lucidworks - Lucene, Frames, SemWeb? He was way ahead of his time with a lot of this and remains a very progressive thinker. He was in Tucson til the 90s and we remain friends. Indeed, a lot of work.
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