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Prodigy, Compuserve and GEnie, while early implementors of Internet email and other protocols, were PRE-web tech.
IOW, BBSs @TopherMade. That wasn't the Web. Prodigy, Compuserv, Delphi, GEnie, QLink, AOL, MSN - they all emerged as walled gardens.
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Yes! @TopherMade - that's PRECISELY it. You entered the Web (96?) after the proprietary squatters had started to squat. (say that 10x fast!)
Replying to @bartekci
@bartekci Oh without question! I see tremendous value of HTML5 and CSS3. They are the subjects of almost all my talks these days.
Aww, thanks @TopherMade. You know this is my passion and I'm not attacking you personally. You are helping to reveal a serious concern.
"The WWW model gets over the frustrating incompatibilities of data format " - Tim Berners-Lee 1991
"The WWW project merges the techniques of information retrieval and hypertext to make an easy but powerful global information system." TBL91
Okay @TopherMade, next time you see Tim Berners-Lee, I dare you to tell him he purposely built a proprietary system.
Replying to @bartekci
@bartekci How is the Web political? Read any w3.org list discussion. Go to a working group meeting. Work for a browser co. or 2. Hop on IRC.
I am idealizing, dear @TopherMade, upon ideals that existed when I got here. I was doing gopher content development in 1989. Lived it.
Yeah, @shutzsmith @shirleykaiser - what, 35 books wasn't enough? Crack that whip!
The "proprietary web" is a myth cooked up by capitalists. Yes, that's right. Not by visionaries.
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No, no proprietary Web @TopherMade. Not when I started. There wasn't even a GUI browser. We're talking line-based, on 300 baud modems.
As early as 1984! The entire point then was solving the problem of closed data and information exchange. And it still is.
With all respect @TopherMade, you're wrong. That has ALWAYS been the rationale of the Web, which pre-dates 1996. Let me send you some links.
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Replying to @scottgal
@scottgal no, not with specs. With features. We /support/ open standards as a /rule/ not an option.
And yes, I'm on a rant. I've reached the fill-line when it comes to the ignorance in this field. As one of its evangelists I feel total FAIL
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Have ye not read the history of the Web. THE WEB. Not the Internet. I mean the Web. Know the difference, especially if you work it, kids.
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What on earth? @TopherMade-The entire rationale of the Web is to transcend platform, OS, user agent, ability, disability. HISTORY MATTERS!
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To anyone who thinks HTML5 and CSS3 are just ways to make pretty web sites and apps, and not political, please come see me after class.
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