It is the true teacher who leaves the class knowing they have learned the most.
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Now THAT @filip, I agree with completely. "Good designers know, understand and actively work with the medium they're designing for." Amen.
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@rowast I'M so sorry you had a root canal! (does that help?)
@dougoftheabaci absolutely, we're not arguing the value of knowledge here, merely the way it plays out in the wide, the web and the world.
@davidfrey well, I'd much rather agree than disagree :D
@davidfrey in that scenario, what skillsets do you require?
@davidfrey "executing your own design" - agreed! Now you are at the BBC. You must design docs in 33 languages, 6,000 documents a day.
My point, dear friends, is that we've gone far beyond HTML and CSS. Our jobs are very complex, and it's only going to get moreso.
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Yes, we must know our medium. And the more we know, the more we are empowered. Think about the WIDE in WWW. It is significant.
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@davidfrey No, I'm saying something very different. The idea that HTML and CSS will always be our tools is a very foolish assumption.
I think @zeldman's statement is somewhat true for agency work. But mass web sites? Web apps? These environments demand teamwork.
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I love @zeldman. I just don't get how this message is particularly helpful at this point. Great Web sites/apps require many, many skills.
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This is my take @zeldman "Real web designers work hard to keep skills sharp, work with others, learn daily an share what they learn"
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@stellarvisions I know, I call BS, as @kplawver states. I've spent far too many years as an educator on this problem.
It's sort of like saying "Real web designers will always use HTML and CSS" - a limited perspective, no? (Sorry, @zeldman, I just have to! ;)
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So "@zeldman: Real web designers write code. Always have, always will" You must have a clearer crystal ball than I. Always is a long time!
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@jakubnesetril Unless there's an Apple Store in Prague with a US keyboard on a 13" unibody shell. That'd ROCK. Possible do you think?
@jakubnesetril The MacBook's logic board is fried. @glazou pulled the hard drive and the data is fine, but that's no help without the rest.
@rainycat Alas, no Londinium this time. Paris, Prague, Stockholm, Halmstad, Oslo, Amsterdam (old), Amsterdam (new aka NYC), home. Wshew.