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@aral It was great to see you at #sxswi! What you shared about not leaving Flash out of standards education was very well articulated.
Horrorscope: reach " . . . gently for your goals while remaining detached from the final outcome." This makes no sense. Gentle? Detached?
@glazou I let you down with that response. I should have made a counter-increment joke, but I couldn't come up with one, I admit.
@SteveKubrick I dunno. This entire conversation has me thinking about banana peels and whether you can really slip on them or not.
Molly's greatest claim to fame: Gracing the home page of Twitter for about 2 years now. Forget my hard work, that one is a keeper!
@glazou I kind of thought that was what he meant :) It's not my fault the good guys at Twitter thought to capture me in that screenshot!
@glazou And what are you talking about? Standards design is bickering? How can this be? We never bicker over things like tables. Ever!
@glazou My point is to not add more hacks. It'll just make legacy or archival documents that much more difficult to work with as sites grow.
@glazou so what was my friend's meaning? See why I put up with you, you're my personal translator ;)
@timeril I challenge you to a duel with a blind user over that and this highly visual example any day. :: drops glove on ground ::
What happens when we do get layout advances and have millions of documents with all this code bloat? Hello? Sound familiar?
But sticking to simple structures instead of trying to fill a doc with unecessary divs just to use a display value sets a better precedent.
I think the pure point here is that we are still hacking both markup and CSS for presentational results. We desperately need alternatives.
@yatil EXACTLY. We have crap for layout technologies. Follow www-style lately? Tons of proposals for layout, everyone bickering.
How is making a grid out of list items any different than properly organizing the elements into a table?
@timeril So this to you is more of a list with divisions within each of the list items.