It is the true teacher who leaves the class knowing they have learned the most.
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@Tubes yes, we still have to at least show those we're educating to best practices those things we've evolved beyond, or we do a disservice.
@gjarnling I'm just going to "la la la" my way out of your last comment, being a child of the 60's n' all.
@Tubes relevant concern! Also, what happens to the person who only knows html/css when they have to work on legacy documents?
@azlee and bustier! It ain't over 'til this chubby girl sings ;)
@gjarnling I'm on the tea as well. Nothing like a good cuppa.
@tuna it's the overkill of deeply nested tables, presentational HTML, slice and dice that's the problem.
@Tuna Tables for layout are not by definition inaccessible. You can linearize content, add contextual elements and attributes.
@JHVanOphem Honey, if you haven't fully penetrated and that was the intent, then it /never/ is quite right. (naughtyMols)
@mattmay If anything is better it's because TOOLs are better. Most practitioners IRL have no idea what that DOCTYPE is there for, or why.
@gjarnling are you sure YOU haven't been sipping something tonight? ;)
@azlee No kidding? How's Lil' Worf these days? He comments from time to time on my site. BTW - I'm in Norway (I meant to answer you)
@robzonenet It's not sad. It means we have time to make things better, including browsers. I've dedicated my life to this cause. (crazy me)
Those of us in the standards movement sometimes forget that we, at best, have achieved 5% penetration in 10 years. Web standards aren't.
@davidfrey non-presentational HTML, linearized content, semantic naming, CSS for all styling except special cases (email, special markets).
@jlbruno I don't disagree, but I believe that we cannot blame individuals for struggling with Web design. It's complex!
@Tuna I disagree. If you don't have a machine capable of running a CSS browser than CSS is pretty irrelevant, no?
@zahnster IE8 kill IE6? I'm skeptical too. But even IE6 is manageable these days, with dean edwards' killer scripts and other techniques
@gjarnling hahaha, alcohol is really expensive up here in the near arctic. What's with that? You'd think it'd be necessary to stay warm!