I’m up for that. I think we shall be a different nation, commanding renewed respect in the world when we acknowledge & right the wrong. @marwilliamson always says, ‘imagine where America could be if it was as spiritually innovative as it is commercially innovative.’

America was founded on genocide, massive land theft, slavery, imperialism, Jim Crow, lynchings, [insert horror here]. I am more inclined to think that whatever that thing would be, it would be fundamentally un-American in best sense of the word.

America was not founded on those things. The things you mentioned were a repudiation of the principles we were founded on. It is those atrocities which were unAmerican; our national repair - Abolition, Suffrage, Civil Right’s etc - is always a reclaiming of what is truly American

Those values u mentioned are rhetorical used by whites to distort truth. White abolitionists didn't support social equality. Native Americans were annihilated&their land stolen. Africans were enslaved or Jim Crowed for most of America's existence. We're still 2nd class citizens.

I don’t think it’s a distorted truth.They are simply the principles In the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The evils of slavery and oppression don’t make those other things not true. I agree about the 2nd class citizenship, but those principles are WHY I agree.

The reason these issues persist is that 99% of white America is either delusional abt what America actually is or they are blantantly racist. I will put you in the delusional category. Meanwhile Black and Brown people continue to suffocate. That was true in in 1776& its true now

Well, if you tell someone they’re just delusional to believe what they believe then that certainly ends any possibility of intellectual debate. Had hoped for better. 😔

Marianne, thanks for representing your views in this discussion. I’m honored because I’ve learned so much from you. I will never give up on America being spiritually innovative.

Women are used to being told we’re crazy to think what we think. In fact that’s a form of oppression too; patriarchy & all of that. But it’s important to keep it all in perspective: People are good, we’re all doing our best & it’s possible to rise above. Love is all that counts.

You don't get to be a victim. White women aren't being brutalized, killed, mass incarcerated by the criminal injustice system. When white men were routinely raping blk women, white women were silent. When blk men were lynched in the audience of thousands, white women participated