President & Co-Founder @OpenAI
Joined July 2010
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“The community has retreated to mechanical skill as a way to rationalize our inferiority. ... Or else we would have to admit that these machines are also besting us in Dota with traits that are innately human: insight, intuition, and creativity.” dotabuff.com/blog/2019-04-21…
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They’re not fundamentally difficult — they just were never our top priority since it seemed like we could better improve our performance other ways. So you can think of anything scripted as the parts of Dota we think matter least.
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Five already does adjust automatically between patches, as described here: openai.com/blog/how-to-train…
One counterpoint: our scripted components are a clear weakness that won’t change with training.
But that’s just a handicap. There are still *many* aspects of the game, like invisibility, which are learnable.
Our experience tells us never to discount the power of more training.
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When we lost at The International (100% vs pro teams), they said it was because Five can’t do strategy.
So we trained for longer.
When we lose (0.7% vs the entire Internet), they say it’s because Five can’t adapt.
If we train for longer...???
nitter.vloup.ch/metaversefight/s…
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Just watched a 70 minute game (longest game versus Five so far). Back and forth many times, ultimately the humans won. Exciting and very difficult to know who to cheer for :).
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You're welcome :)! And thank *you* — Arena is a very valuable and unique experiment. It's awesome to see how much fun people are having while helping us better understand the AI system we built.
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In particular, with this tech it’s easy to imagine a whole new class of smart programs which can work well and interact with users — whether in the domain of robotics or virtual assistants. Super exciting on the upside!
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Seems very plausible (allowing for algorithmic advances to decrease the amount of data required). Important to think about the implications... nitter.vloup.ch/metaversefight/s…
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#1, #2, and #3 on /r/MachineLearning are about OpenAI results — don't think I've seen that before. Pretty cool to see the team's efforts percolating through the community! (First two are others' applications of GPT-2; third is Dota.)
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OpenAI Five team is doing a Reddit AMA, answering questions for the next 2 hours. Get your questions in while it's open! old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/…
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Pretty good summary:
And they did it by adapting and understanding how OpenAI plays
ainodehna stack abused these:
- invis (riki, shadow blades)
- split push, avoiding fights
- playing conservatively until late game
- abused roshan
- focused on buildings with BKB
and of course, good skill and farming
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