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Replying to @markasaurus
That shouldn't work as an excuse!
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They want to spend half a billion dollars on new fare gates. That will be a critical opportunity to fight back
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Would you like me to send some statement about how in cities of comparable size to SF nobody needs faregates at all?
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If you have a succinct argument for why BART should remove fategates I would love to push it
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I know of one city with both faregates and actually-common POP, Montreal, and that was ruled unconstitutional and is in appeals.
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In general, you don't really need faregates. They're obstructive and maintenance-intensive, and you can more easily enforce fares via POP.
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When you get to really high crowding levels that equation changes, but BART doesn't have those crowding levels, it's not Paris or New York.
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BART sometimes uses faregates for crowd control at downtown SF stations by temporarily disallowing entrances
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I thought they just did that by disabling the down escalators (downtown BART is beyond thunderdome)
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I'm tempted to go gaze at Embarcadero and Montgomery at 8:30 next time I visit. Their daily ridership levels don't scream "zoo."
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Replying to @alon_levy @eparillon @asmallteapot @markasaurus
Disabling one of the down escalators is (or was) a regular certain-times-of-the-day (pm rush) thing, but closing the faregates is more of an emergency thing. (Disabling the down escalators seems because people don't walk away from the escalators when they get to the bottom.)

Apr 24, 2019 Β· 6:03 AM UTC

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Replying to @davidbaron @eparillon @asmallteapot @markasaurus
Do you know what makes it easier to add more vertical circulation if that's your only capacity problem? Not having faregates. #sorry
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I think the problem is platform crowding by people waiting for east-bay-bound trains (where each line is running every 15 minutes)... due to people not moving away from the escalator, leading to the escalator dumping people into an area that can become dangerously overcrowded.
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