regardless of whether there are corporate social media hosts (Tumblr) or not (Switter, Pornhub), the fact that corporates back them ultimately means that all of the DEEP problems of corporate social media still exist, namely, corporate vulnerability to the interests of..

..capitalism and politics ok so you use Pornhub to host your naked pics instead of uhhh Tumblr? well Pornhub can still be scared by legal developments and can still wipe out your entire account but ok maybe you ~indieweb~ it and host your porn yourself on AWS

what you think fucking AMAZON is going to just ignore legal threats? no theyll pull your site immediately or what happens when your Switter instance gets threatened? can your volunteer sysadmins REALLY shoulder than financial burden? no they'll cave

can you avoid using corporate payment processing systems? no you cant so i guess youre fucked once Paypal stops letting you get money

and if you think this is just a problem for porn then go talk to @flipper_zero about how their cool handheld multitool is/was being strangled by Paypal for stupid political reasons that have nothing to even do with them this is not the Corporate Free Web

you want corporate free stuff, you have to actually build it, and solve problems, not just tell people "go use some OTHER corporations, and also become a sysadmin" Indieweb is Just. Not. It.

it's not anti incrementalism because incrementalism implies change indieweb is literally just conservatism. there's almost nothing new since 2007, nothing substantively improved or explored. it's just Web 2.0 sentimentalism as a movement

There's a lot of new stuff if you look past the home page. I agree there are some problems with how we've described things, and I'd like to fix that, but it feels like you're coming to a pretty quick judgment without a lot of context.

too bad, try harder. it's 2022 and the default suggestions are straight out of 2007, that's not New Stuff ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if i've gotta go digging then you're failing my criteria